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Re: Swiss Nightly Build

Postby emu_kidid » Sun Jan 19, 2014 2:01 am

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Re: Swiss Nightly Build

Postby boozezela » Sun Jan 19, 2014 7:53 am

Thank you for taking the time to try it.
About the gamers, I will test some more in the next couple of days.

If/when a new nightly comes out, would you like me to focus on specific games in particular or should (GASP) tried them all again? :)
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Re: Swiss Nightly Build

Postby emu_kidid » Sun Jan 19, 2014 8:05 am

specific will do. the changelog http://code.google.com/p/swiss-gc/source/list will usually say if it's something specific like speed increase for FMV's etc vs compatibility. If it's a compatibility fix, just try games that didn't work/etc.
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Re: Swiss Nightly Build

Postby boozezela » Sat Jan 25, 2014 12:08 pm

Hi, I have been testing more games. I don't want to open several treads so I am going to ask here:

1-PAL forced to NTSC
I have a PAL TV that can do both 50 and 60Hz and I was experimenting with RE1 PAL.
When I forced it to NTSC, the image on the TV went out of sync and started rolling vertically.
When the game asked if I wanted to force 60Hz I said "yes" and the image stabilised immediately.

So, just for the sake of curiosity, the question is: what were you forcing in the first place?
In any case, image sync with PAL50, PAL60 or NTSC (still 60Hz) should have been the same.

2-Non-standard memory card bug (http://code.google.com/p/swiss-gc/issue ... d=63&can=1)
I am still seeing this pretty much on every game.

If I boot the GC with a third party memory card in, the game will complain that the device in slot A is of the wrong type.
If I remove it, wait 5-10 seconds (or use the reset button if the game supports it, like Mario Kart) and try it again it gets accepted.

3-Fixing/32k aligning
Does the use of fstfix make any difference in terms of improving FMV smothness/audio stuttering when loading a game from SD Card?
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Re: Swiss Nightly Build

Postby boozezela » Sat Jan 25, 2014 1:22 pm

Setup:
GameCube PAL + Viper GC
DVD drive - No Disk unless specified otherwise.
SD Gecko Slot B / FAST / 32 GB SDHC
Swiss 0.3 R253 DOL

All games are Version 1.0 and redump.org "compliant" unless specified otherwise.

GAMECUBE GAMES R-Z
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Rampage - Total Destruction NTSC/USA (POSSIBLE REGRESSION)
R253:
- Loads slower.
- Choppy FMV.

- Main Game: Works
- Rampage classic: black screen.
- Rampage world tour classic: black screen

R174:
- Loads Faster.
- Smooth FMV.

- Main Game: Works
- Bonus/Classic Rampage: "an error has occurred".
- Bonus/Classic Rampage world tour: "an error has occurred".

R174 uses 3 patches instead of 2 (same two as R253+main dol file).

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Red Faction II NTSC/US (IMPROVEMENT: NOW WORKS)
R253: Works. Flickering black bars during loading screen.
R174: Starts loading (with flickering black bars) then shows "An error has occurred" after the memcard checks.

=============================================================================

Resident Evil PAL/EU (IMPROVEMENT but still problematic)
R253: No more audio buzzing, however durin the initial FMV audio and video are not in sync. Audio ends about 22 seconds earlier than video.
R174: FMV buzzes and freezes slightly every half second. Audio and video are not in sync (video ends before audio).

=============================================================================

Resident Evil - Code veronica X PAL/EU (Partial IMPROVEMENT)
R253: Audio/video freezes during the initial FMVs. Flashing purple and green bands during gameplay (including prologue+cut scenes). Audio does not buzz while loading.
R174: Stuttering video+buzzing audio during the initial FMVs. Flashing purple and green bands during gameplay (including prologue+cut scenes)

=============================================================================

Resident Evil 2 PAL/EU (IMPROVEMENT)
R253: Audio buzzing is gone. Some frame flashing/tearing from time to time.
R174: FMV buzzes and stutters. Severe buzzin also during gameplay.

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Resident Evil 3 - Nemesis PAL/EU (IMPROVEMENT. Fixes Issue 66 (http://code.google.com/p/swiss-gc/issues/detail?id=66))
R253: There is an unexpected momentarily slowdown + audio stutter in the middle of the initial FMV (when the troopers come down from the helicopters)
R174: Cut off and skipping audio during the initial animation and gameplay. Audio buzzing (it is not very noticeable) during the initial FMV. No slowdown at the helicopter scene.

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Resident Evil 4 NTSC/USA (IMPROVEMENT)
R253: No more stuttering during the initial FMV.
R174: Initial FMV stutters.

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Rocky NTSC/US (REGRESSION)
R253: Choppier FMV.
R174: FMV seems to work better.

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Second Sight NTSC/US (IMPROVEMENT)
R253: Syncronised+smooth FMV. No buzzing during load.
R174: Audio/Video desync during FMV. AudiO cut off during FMV. Buzzing sound while loading.

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Sonic Heroes NTSC/USA (IMPROVEMENT)
R253: No more stuttering during the initial FMV.
R174: Initial FMV stutters.

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Starfox Adventures NTSC/USA (POSSIBLE REGRESSION/IMPROVEMENT)
R253 regressions over R174:
- Audio stutters more compared to R174.
- The camera animation while going through the main title options is noticealy laggier compared to R174.

R253 Improvements over R174:
- Subtitles show up during the initial sequence.

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Star Wars - The Clone Wars (IMPROVEMENT: NOW WORKS)
R253: Works.
R174: Hangs at the name selection screen.

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Super Mario Strikers NTSC/USA (IMPROVEMENT/REGRESSION)
R253:
- No more buzzing while loading.
- Regression: the intro FMV cuts off to the title screen after a few frames.

R174: Audio buzzes while when loading, stuttering FMV.

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Super Mario Sunshine NTSC/USA (REGRESSION)
R253:
- Initial laugh cut off
- Stuttering FMV
- Very slow title screen
- No in-game audio

R174:
- Initial laugh can be heard
- FMV stutters less
- Title screen works smoothly
- In-game audio works (wiki says "Audio doesn't disappear with High Level, Enabled Interrupts")

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The Lord Of The Rings: Return of the King NTSC/US (IMPROVEMENT)
R253: Video slows down during FMV, but audio and video stay in sync.
R174:
- With a disk in the drive (regardless of "Use a DVD disk for higher compatibility?" yes/no) it hangs at a black screen
- Without a disk in the drive, it hangs at "Loading"

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The Lord Of The Rings: The Third Age NTSC/US (IMPROVEMENT but still prolematic)
R253:
- Smooth FMV, no buzzing during FMV or in-game loading. However FMV audio and video are out of sync.
- In-game audio (dialogues) is delayed by 2-3 seconds.

R174:
- Barely noticeable buzzing during FMV.
- Audio out of sync during FMV and in-game (dialogues).
- A lot of audio buzzing guring in-game loading.

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The Lord Of The Rings: The Two Towers NTSC/US (IMPROVEMENT)
R253: No buzzing.
R174: Some minor buzzing during gameplay.

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Tiger Woods PGA Tour 06 NTSC/USA (REGRESSION)
R253: Initial FMV out of sync (video is 2-3 seconds late)
R174: Initial FMV in sync.

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Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell - Double Agent NTSC/US (IMPROVEMENT, BUT STILL BROKEN)
R253: Hangs on a black screen after you try to start a new game.

R174:
- Without a disk in the drive: the gamecube resets itself after you try to start a game.
- With a disk in the drive (regardless on what you answer to "Use a DVD disk for higher compatibility?"): hangs on a black screen after you try to start a new game.

R094/sd-boot 0.4: It hangs at "Loading" before even reaching the game menus.

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Ultimate Spider-Man NTSC/US (IMPROVEMENT, still problematic)
R253: Audio out of sync (shifted differently than R174) during the prologue cutscene.
R174: Audio out of sync AND buzzing during the prologue cutscene.

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Viewtiful Joe NTSC/US (IMPROVEMENT/REGRESSION)
R253:
- Improvement: Does NOT buzz wile loading.
- Regression: Stuttering FMVs.

R174:
- Buzzes while loading.
- FMV Seems to work better.

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Viewtiful Joe 2 NTSC/US (IMPROVEMENT/REGRESSION)
R253:
- Improvement: Does NOT buzz wile loading.
- Regression: Sturrering FMVs.

R174:
- Buzzes while loading.
- FMV Seems to work better.

=============================================================================

Wario World NTSC/US (NO CHANGE: STILL WORKS)

While I see no differences between R253 and R174, R174 can run a shrunk ISO (I have used GCM 0.4), while R253 would hang at a black screen after the initial logos.

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X-Men - Next Dimension NTSC/US (IMPROVEMENT: NOW WORKS)
R253:
Music seems to be missing (Audio Streaming?)

ALL FMVs are problematic:
- 1st FMV (Marvel) freezes.
- 2nd FMV (Activision) is very choppy.
- 3rd FMV freezes.
- Attract mode FMV freezes after the word "Weapon".
- 1st level FMV freezes
And so on...

Luckily all FMVs can be skipped.

R174:
- Use DVD disc NO: Asks for gamedisc
- Use DVD disc YES: "An error has occurred" (regardless of motor settings)

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XIII NTSC/USA (NO CHANGES: STILL BROKEN)
R094, R174, R153: After selecting "continue" or "New game" the GC resets itself.

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Yugi Oh! NTSC/US (IMPROVEMENT: NOW WORKS)

R253: Works. FMV have stuttering audio.
R174: Hangs at Konami logo, after a while audio garbage starts to play.
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Re: Swiss Nightly Build

Postby emu_kidid » Sat Jan 25, 2014 3:10 pm

good to see some stuttering disappear I guess..
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Re: Swiss Nightly Build

Postby boozezela » Sat Jan 25, 2014 4:02 pm

Unfortunately sometime the disappearing stuttering is replaced by FMV frames flashing/tearing. :)
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Re: Swiss Nightly Build

Postby BenoitRen » Tue Jan 28, 2014 9:07 pm

boozezela wrote:I have a PAL TV that can do both 50 and 60Hz and I was experimenting with RE1 PAL.
When I forced it to NTSC, the image on the TV went out of sync and started rolling vertically.
When the game asked if I wanted to force 60Hz I said "yes" and the image stabilised immediately.

So, just for the sake of curiosity, the question is: what were you forcing in the first place?
In any case, image sync with PAL50, PAL60 or NTSC (still 60Hz) should have been the same.

Swiss was forcing NTSC, which is a different signal than PAL60, despite the similarities. If you had a rolling image, that's either because your TV doesn't support NTSC, or because you're using composite (or RF), which can't carry the signal in a way that your TV understands.

The game didn't ask you if you wanted to "force" 60Hz. It was asking you if you wanted to change the video mode to PAL60. It's not forcing if it's a native option.
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Re: Swiss Nightly Build

Postby boozezela » Tue Jan 28, 2014 9:32 pm

Your reasoning is flawed, here is why:

1-The Gamecube is connected to the TV through an RGB scart connector (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCART) and yes there are actually all the wires needed, not just composite+audio.

2-The majority of my games are NTSC-U*, I have a minority of PAL games and only because they support progressive scan out of the box.
All NTSC games always display properly, either when I run them using Viper+Cobra (which allows me to force its menu in NTSC no problem), or when I run them using Swiss (even forcing NTSC instead of AUTO).

The exception is a PAL game forced to NTSC with swiss. The TV should be able to handle it, but it doesn't. Unfortunately being an analog TV I cannot check what vertical frequency it gets as an input.

* I bought NTSC-U games because they can do progressive scan easily and I was using a modified digital component connector to output the signal to a VGA monitor.

Edit:
I have just noticed that:
A) The image rolls with R253 and not with R174.
B) Even if the image is rolling, if I decline the offer to switch to 60Hz, the game still has the right colors.
This should mean that the TV correctly shifts the NTSC color information from 3.58 to 4.43 MHz.
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Re: Swiss Nightly Build

Postby theclaw » Tue Jan 28, 2014 11:50 pm

BenoitRen wrote:
boozezela wrote:I have a PAL TV that can do both 50 and 60Hz and I was experimenting with RE1 PAL.
When I forced it to NTSC, the image on the TV went out of sync and started rolling vertically.
When the game asked if I wanted to force 60Hz I said "yes" and the image stabilised immediately.

So, just for the sake of curiosity, the question is: what were you forcing in the first place?
In any case, image sync with PAL50, PAL60 or NTSC (still 60Hz) should have been the same.

Swiss was forcing NTSC, which is a different signal than PAL60, despite the similarities. If you had a rolling image, that's either because your TV doesn't support NTSC, or because you're using composite (or RF), which can't carry the signal in a way that your TV understands.

The game didn't ask you if you wanted to "force" 60Hz. It was asking you if you wanted to change the video mode to PAL60. It's not forcing if it's a native option.


Tell me more. I've never seen documentation on the Gamecube's color encoding.
I just assumed it was hardcoded into the video DAC, no such thing as a software toggle between NTSC and PAL60. :?

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Re: Swiss Nightly Build

Postby AntRichWalk » Mon Feb 24, 2014 12:24 am

Swiss r254, Paper Mario TYD & Mega Man X Collection wont play, doesn't get to the title screen.

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Re: Swiss Nightly Build

Postby emu_kidid » Mon Feb 24, 2014 12:39 am

Have you successfully launched any game? What error do you get, black screen, or do you see something from the game and then it freezes?

Reason I ask is because if you're using the SD Media Launcher disc and/or the SD card slot that comes with it, you will have issues. The solution is to swap out the disc or don't use a disc at all and to modify the SD card slot to make better contact.
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Re: Swiss Nightly Build

Postby megalomaniac » Thu Feb 27, 2014 5:56 am

included a change log into the distributions..



the information in the change log is pulled directly from googlecode SVN.
the contents are specific only to the particular distribution revision..

example:
swiss_r255-changelog.txt will only list the specific changes for r255
swiss_r256-changelog.txt will only list the specific changes for r256
etc...etc...etc...
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Re: Swiss Nightly Build

Postby szczuru » Mon Mar 03, 2014 10:32 pm

Hi, recently i've modded my GC with Xeno and soldered SD card reader to mobo (directly into slot B) - everything is working fine but in some games I can't save game :/ Memory Card is present in slot A, I'm using Swiss 0.3 r256. I can't save in games like Pikmin, Resident Evil or Soul Calibur 2. Those games says that my MC is corrupted and need to be reformatted. But when I choose "Yes" next error appear "Can't format MC". My MC is fine, i can copy, delete save files in GC menu (or even using GCMM).
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Postby emu_kidid » Mon Mar 03, 2014 10:41 pm

This is a new one to me - Is it a 3rd party memory card? Try re-inserting it after the game has started, what happens then?
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Re: Swiss Nightly Build

Postby szczuru » Mon Mar 03, 2014 10:57 pm

emu_kidid wrote:This is a new one to me - Is it a 3rd party memory card? Try re-inserting it after the game has started, what happens then?

My MC is "Speed Link Gamecube 4Mb/59 blocks Memory Card". Removing/Instering doesn't help. Those errors appers in both Fast/Compatible SD modes with dvd disc in drive and motor stop. BUT i've checked them using swiss 0.2 and everything works fine - I can save...

BTW. Wehre can I change settings like "Patch mode/location" in 0.3? In 0.2 Those setting are in Settings menu but in 0.3 I can't find them.
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Re: Swiss Nightly Build

Postby emu_kidid » Mon Mar 03, 2014 11:53 pm

0.3 only has one patch type, no need to change it, I'd rather fix games in that one patch type, I'm trying to simplify it to a point where you'll just boot the thing.

I'll take a look at the memory card issue, haven't tried any of those games as of late.
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Re: Swiss Nightly Build

Postby szczuru » Tue Mar 04, 2014 12:07 am

emu_kidid wrote:0.3 only has one patch type, no need to change it, I'd rather fix games in that one patch type, I'm trying to simplify it to a point where you'll just boot the thing.

I'll take a look at the memory card issue, haven't tried any of those games as of late.


Ok, thanks :) Btw Resident Evil 0 have the same issue.
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Re: Swiss Nightly Build

Postby megalomaniac » Tue Mar 04, 2014 3:54 am

szczuru wrote:Hi, recently i've modded my GC with Xeno and soldered SD card reader to mobo (directly into slot B) - everything is working fine but in some games I can't save game :/ Memory Card is present in slot A, I'm using Swiss 0.3 r256. I can't save in games like Pikmin, Resident Evil or Soul Calibur 2. Those games says that my MC is corrupted and need to be reformatted. But when I choose "Yes" next error appear "Can't format MC". My MC is fine, i can copy, delete save files in GC menu (or even using GCMM).


Soul Calibur 2 confirmed working from SD Gecko in SlotB with memorycard in slot A..
new save file created in process ( did not have existing save file on this card )
save data accessed and loaded after reboot with duplication of issue...


i suggest trying a different memory card...
i only had an official memcard available for testing..
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Postby emu_kidid » Tue Mar 04, 2014 4:09 am

Or perhaps review your hard wired SD card.
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Re: Swiss Nightly Build

Postby szczuru » Tue Mar 04, 2014 4:50 am

emu_kidid wrote:Or perhaps review your hard wired SD card.


Checked with diffrent SD card - the same issue (but on 0.2 works...).
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Re: Swiss Nightly Build

Postby emu_kidid » Tue Mar 04, 2014 4:57 am

You've confused us all, are you trying to EMULATE a memory card in Slot A using the option Swiss provides or are you trying a physical memory card? Changing SD card shouldn't make any difference.
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Re: Swiss Nightly Build

Postby megalomaniac » Tue Mar 04, 2014 5:05 am

szczuru wrote:
emu_kidid wrote:Or perhaps review your hard wired SD card.


Checked with diffrent SD card - the same issue (but on 0.2 works...).

why test with a different version swiss when i have already verified the issue is not swiss related and not duplicated with r256...
please provide more test parameters to attempt duplication of the issue.

also, did you download and test with the files posted in this thread or did you download r256 somewhere else and then come here for assistance?
this is important to know because there is another site that releases "half ass" release updates...
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Re: Swiss Nightly Build

Postby szczuru » Tue Mar 04, 2014 10:36 pm

megalomaniac wrote:
szczuru wrote:
emu_kidid wrote:Or perhaps review your hard wired SD card.


Checked with diffrent SD card - the same issue (but on 0.2 works...).

why test with a different version swiss when i have already verified the issue is not swiss related and not duplicated with r256...
please provide more test parameters to attempt duplication of the issue.

also, did you download and test with the files posted in this thread or did you download r256 somewhere else and then come here for assistance?
this is important to know because there is another site that releases "half ass" release updates...


I've downloaded r256 from this thread (1st post).

But I've found a solution! :) I'm booting r256 from SD using Swiss 0.2 burned on dvd (this was first version of swiss that i've found) and when selecting SDGecko in 0.2 (to boot 0.3 DOL) i MUST select "Compatible" mode 'cause if I select "Fast" I won't be able to save in certain games.
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