Questions about Qoob SX and iplboot?

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Questions about Qoob SX and iplboot?

Post by botman » Tue Sep 22, 2020 9:42 am

Hi all,
I have some questions about Qoob SX and iplboot. It would be great if someone could help me.

- Can I still boot swiss off a dvd and different region games after flashing iplboot?
- If iplboot isn't working for some reasons, can I reflash the original Qoob SX bios and try again? If yes, then how?
- What is the right way to flash iplboot to Qoob SX? Are you supposed to boot into swiss and run the "qoob_sx_iplboot_upgrade.dol" file? What is the purpose of the "iplboot_xz.dol" file then?

Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
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Re: Questions about Qoob SX and iplboot?

Post by emu_kidid » Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:57 pm

botman wrote:
Tue Sep 22, 2020 9:42 am
- Can I still boot swiss off a dvd and different region games after flashing iplboot?
Yes, but you'd need to boot something like Swiss from the SD card using iplboot.
botman wrote:
Tue Sep 22, 2020 9:42 am
- If iplboot isn't working for some reasons, can I reflash the original Qoob SX bios and try again? If yes, then how?
Yes, just boot the official Qoob SX bios .elf using iplboot from a SD card (you might need to use doltool to turn it into a .dol)
botman wrote:
Tue Sep 22, 2020 9:42 am
- What is the right way to flash iplboot to Qoob SX? Are you supposed to boot into swiss and run the "qoob_sx_iplboot_upgrade.dol" file? What is the purpose of the "iplboot_xz.dol" file then?
iplboot_xz.dol is if you're booting it manually from say inside swiss. qoob_sx_iplboot_upgrade.dol is the official Qoob flasher with iplboot embedded so that when you run it, it will flash iplboot instead of the Qoob SX bios.

Please note that iplboot doesn't support SD2SP2 so you'd need a memory card slot based SD adapter.
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Re: Questions about Qoob SX and iplboot?

Post by botman » Thu Sep 24, 2020 12:52 pm

Thanks for your reply, emu_kidid. I just watched MVG's video about your N64 cartridge dumper. Love it!

I ran into a problem when I tried to flash iplboot with Swiss. It said "must be booted in flash mode!". I used doltool with "qoob_sx_13c_upgrade.elf" file and it did not work either.
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After spending some time googling Qoob SX flash mode, I believe that flash mode can be accessed if you hold DPAD LEFT when booting the console. However when I tried it, Swiss can no longer be booted.
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I also found this in the qoob_13c.nfo file:
--------------| NOTE for SX users:

YOU CAN *NOT* BREAK YOUR SX BY FLASHING WRONG FIRMWARE
INTO IT.

The SX has an integrated "backup" bios. You can go
into it by holding the D-Pad to the left (D-pad is
the small digital pad at the lower left of the controller).
Do not boot the disc, you also have to press 'B'.

You *need* to start the upgrader from this bios. This
is done due to protect you from evil applications which
could otherwise erase your bios. Still, the backup
bios is read only and can't be erased.

So there's absolutely no way to kill your SX. If you flash
something else to it, all it would do is to stop
booting until you boot into the recovery bios.

To summarize it:

- Don't panic. You can't break your SX by flashing.
- You can't flash .GCB files, you need the .ELF updaters.
- To flash via DVD, you need to hold "D-Pad-Left" while
booting. Be sure to pad your disc to at least ~1GB of
data!
- To flash via Network, you need to hold "D-Pad-Left"+"B"
while booting. IP address will be 192.168.1.32. There's
no way to change that.
So, it seems like the only way to flash a bios to Qoob SX is either a burned DVD or a BBA. This sucks for me because I don't have a BBA and I have burned more than 10 dvd copies and none of them work (I have to order my Swiss copy from china). This also leads me to question the function of "qoob_sx_iplboot_upgrade.dol" file as you can't use it with Swiss then what is the purpose of it?
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Re: Questions about Qoob SX and iplboot?

Post by emu_kidid » Mon Sep 28, 2020 12:04 am

Ah! I'd completely forgot about that functionality in the Qoob BIOS. How are you booting Swiss now, can you boot a ISO9660 disc with the .dol on it? (Pad it out with other useless junk to fill it to 1GB or so).

If you're having a hard time finding 8cm discs, just as a one off try some 12cm media and attempt this process with the GameCube lid removed and the lid switch held down.
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Re: Questions about Qoob SX and iplboot?

Post by botman » Fri Oct 02, 2020 8:18 am

After wasting more money on mini DVD-R from China, I finally could flash iplboot after few tries. Now my GameCube is running Swiss without a disc. I'm so glad.

Thank you for your help!
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Re: Questions about Qoob SX and iplboot?

Post by Undead Sega » Wed Oct 07, 2020 9:14 pm

I thought you could always flash Swiss onto a Qoob Pro, right?
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Re: Questions about Qoob SX and iplboot?

Post by emu_kidid » Mon Oct 12, 2020 11:28 pm

yes, but he has a Qoob SX
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Re: Questions about Qoob SX and iplboot?

Post by Undead Sega » Wed Oct 21, 2020 12:55 pm

But doesn't the Qoob SX have the inability to flash new firmware unlike the Pro? :?:
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Re: Questions about Qoob SX and iplboot?

Post by emu_kidid » Thu Oct 22, 2020 1:12 am

Undead Sega wrote:
Wed Oct 21, 2020 12:55 pm
But doesn't the Qoob SX have the inability to flash new firmware unlike the Pro? :?:
Officially it can flash update via a .elf.
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Re: Questions about Qoob SX and iplboot?

Post by Undead Sega » Mon Nov 09, 2020 2:20 pm

emu_kidid wrote:
Thu Oct 22, 2020 1:12 am
Undead Sega wrote:
Wed Oct 21, 2020 12:55 pm
But doesn't the Qoob SX have the inability to flash new firmware unlike the Pro? :?:
Officially it can flash update via a .elf.
Ohh right, it was always my understanding that you really couldn't. Interesting.

So really, the only thing that separates the SX and the Pro is just the flash memory size?
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Re: Questions about Qoob SX and iplboot?

Post by Papy.G » Tue Nov 10, 2020 7:58 am

Once able to force the console to run arbitrary code, one of the big difference between various chip is the amount of memory that remains available to store the said code.

The smaller may be able to modify some bytes from the disc drive on the fly (IE: no-zone chips), one step bigger you can load a Dolauncher or SWISS.gci from a Memory card, one more step you can load SWISS straight from an SD card, while the bigger can store the whole SWISS and run it from there (sometimes helped by an extended memory capacity, in the form of an onboard SD card, such as the GC-Loader).

Better than the hardware, the software design usually determines the ability for a chip to achieve something that it should be able to do. For example, a Xeno chip might be able to do a little more than just booting DVD-R backups or foreign discs (At least some people around there said it is, I personally don't know much on this hardware to tell).
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Re: Questions about Qoob SX and iplboot?

Post by yoppie » Thu Dec 03, 2020 1:43 am

botman wrote:
Fri Oct 02, 2020 8:18 am
After wasting more money on mini DVD-R from China, I finally could flash iplboot after few tries. Now my GameCube is running Swiss without a disc. I'm so glad.

Thank you for your help!
my friend botman, can you share dvd iso? thanks
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