gc-forever - Gamecube/Wii Forums

dont get confused here...


composite = YELLOW cable = 480i/576i
component = RGB cable = 480p/576p


if you want the best possible resolution then you will have to use a component cable...those are the ones on ebay for 150$

megalomaniac wrote:dont get confused here...


composite = YELLOW cable = 480i/576i
component = RGB cable = 480p/576p


if you want the best possible resolution then you will have to use a component cable...those are the ones on ebay for 150$

Dang that's the 2nd time I said the wrong thing when I meant the other.

Idk why I keep typing the wrong one.

So anyway, really, I can get 576i out of the cheap composite (yellow, $3 on eBay) cable? That's awesome!

I am going to mod mine with xenoGC, do you need to use Swiss to force 576i over composite?

a PAL GC will natively output 576
use swiss to force if your GC is not PAL

megalomaniac wrote:a PAL GC will natively output 576
use swiss to force if your GC is not PAL

So correct me if I'm wrong.

PAL and NTSC (480i and 576 respectively) have the same aspect ratio.
PAL = 25fps, NTSC =30fps
To play PAL games on NTSC gc, do I need a pal iso/disc? Or do the games include both? Or does swiss handle the conversion?

Lastly, what is the best thing to do after xenoGC mod with wii gecko adapter and 8gb SDCH and 10 blank mini DVD-r? Should I burn sdLoad to a disk and auto boot a swiss.dol off the card? I'm a total n00b so any tips appreciated!

Oh! One last question, can someone answer, if I boot swiss off a SD card, can I still emulate a memory slot in that card? As in, I have gecko in slot A, and a real card in slot B. can I emulate a card to a game to think it has 2 cards plugged in? (I'd like to be able to backup my game saves somehow to a real card, should one come with the gc I buy).

Thanks!

you can emulate a memory card (not rather good compatibility at the moment) to SDGecko in slot A, but it won't let you use a real card in slot B at the same time.

mat8888 wrote:

BenoitRen wrote:A flatscreen? You mean an LCD HDTV? Gamecube games will look terrible on that thing, especially using composite.

Not LCD but it's a Mitsubishi 82" 1080p tv.

So it's a 82" CRT TV?

megalomaniac wrote:component = RGB cable = 480p/576p

RGB cables can't carry a progressive signal. Component can.

mat8888 wrote:PAL and NTSC (480i and 576 respectively) have the same aspect ratio.

More or less.

PAL = 25fps, NTSC =30fps

An interlaced PAL signal will send 50 half frames per second, while an interlaced NTSC signal will send 60 half frames per second. A progressive scan signal will send full frames.

To play PAL games on NTSC gc, do I need a pal iso/disc? Or do the games include both? Or does swiss handle the conversion?

I'm not sure what you're asking here. Swiss will bypass the region lock, for one thing.

So component is basically twice the fps? As far just GameCube goes (since its not hd. I know component can supply much more resolution than composite).

Also what I mean, in order to get 576i, do I need a PAL game?

I'm thinking that I do. Right? Or do games have both resolutions (480i and 576i) included and can easily be forced in swiss on boot? Because I want to compare them 1 after the other to decide what looks best on my tv.

Also, no deff not CRT.I think DLP or something.
ok lemme get the model #..Mitsubishi wd-82740. It's like a $1600 tv. It is nice to have a rich friend who always gets the newest tv. =) he also gave us a ps2 a few years ago.
but we haven't even played a bluray on it yet. just dvd. The br player is in the mail.

BenoitRen wrote:

megalomaniac wrote:component = RGB cable = 480p/576p

RGB cables can't carry a progressive signal. Component can.

You might want re-read my post...
If you are still confused read it again

The cable colors are as RGB as they can get. Besides, RGB cables transmitting RGB are just capable of progressive too.

As far your TV goes, cheapest will be Scart RGB (576i), the best available component/VGA (576p). Swiss can output almost any game in desired format.

pr0ton wrote:

The cable colors are as RGB as they can get. Besides, RGB cables transmitting RGB are just capable of progressive too.

As far your TV goes, cheapest will be Scart RGB (576i), the best available component/VGA (576p). Swiss can output almost any game in desired format.

NTSC GC = No RGB Scart and US TVs don't usually have scart sockets as far as I'm aware.

So the next best thing would be S-Video for a cheap 480i/576i solution.

mat8888 wrote:So component is basically twice the fps? As far just GameCube goes (since its not hd. I know component can supply much more resolution than composite).

Also what I mean, in order to get 576i, do I need a PAL game?

I'm thinking that I do. Right? Or do games have both resolutions (480i and 576i) included and can easily be forced in swiss on boot? Because I want to compare them 1 after the other to decide what looks best on my tv.

Also, no deff not CRT.I think DLP or something.
ok lemme get the model #..Mitsubishi wd-82740. It's like a $1600 tv. It is nice to have a rich friend who always gets the newest tv. =) he also gave us a ps2 a few years ago.
but we haven't even played a bluray on it yet. just dvd. The br player is in the mail.

what is your TV? NTSC or PAL??
whatever TV type you have, look for that type gamecube...

why? because you will have to spend 150$ on a GC component cable from ebay and no you cant make your own mod at this time...so this may get confusing:

NTSC GC = composite or svideo
PAL GC = composite or RGB (not RGB colored component cables, actual RGB signal and no you cannot use this on a VGA monitor)


some NTSC TVs dont like PAL composite...
some PAL TVs dont like NTSC composite...

so it all comes down to which region will be properly displayed on your TV....


this gets very confusing very quickly until you run a lot of different tests...
best thing, whatever region you are in, buy that region gamecube...

It's somehow complicated all these video signal.
As I'm french, i always had problems with video, like all European people. And even more because in France we had the special SECAM format.
The goal for each new console was to find the "holly" RGB scart cable, from Nintendo64 to Wii, meaning GameCube, PS1, PS2, XBOX, etc.
For older models, there were many mods for getting this bloody 50-60Hz switch, like SEGA 8-16 bits, SuperNintendo or Saturn. So you had your game at full speed, with smoother scrolling.
But I have a question, maybe dumb but, well, at least i'll have an answer :p
This is it :
PAL is 576i
NTSC is 480i
On oldies consoles, when we switched from 50Hz to 60Hz, the screen was getting larger. Actually, in the PAL 50Hz, there are black borders on top and bottom of the screen. These borders disappear when we switch to 60Hz. You can see some screenshots in this page http://www.gamekult.com/forum/topic-mod ... 5511n.html
Why does the screen becomes larger when it switch from 576 to 480 lines ?

^
Because 60Hz NTSC fills all the screen with 480 lines of video whilst 50Hz PAL displays those same 480 lines plus the addiontional 96 lines of the PAL format making up the black borders.

60Hz PAL is actually 480 lines just like NTSC but with the PAL colour coding.

mat8888 wrote:So component is basically twice the fps?

A component cable is capable of carrying both interlaced and progressive signals, so not necessarily. Progressive scan doesn't really mean twice the FPS, but I guess that's one way to look at it.

An interlaced signal send half frames. That is, it'll send the odd lines one frame, the even lines the next frame, repeat. Your eyes don't notice as they blend the lines together. Interlaced exists because it saves bandwidth for broadcasts (you're only sending half of the image each time).

Also what I mean, in order to get 576i, do I need a PAL game?

I'm thinking that I do. Right? Or do games have both resolutions (480i and 576i) included and can easily be forced in swiss on boot? Because I want to compare them 1 after the other to decide what looks best on my tv.

I honestly don't know. My guess would be that you would just get a bordered 480i signal if you forced an NTSC game to use the PAL resolution. This is supported by the fact that forcing 576p on a PAL game requires you to select 50Hz mode because the image is letterboxed otherwise.

Also, no deff not CRT.I think DLP or something.
ok lemme get the model #..Mitsubishi wd-82740.

I looked up what DLP is. Just like LCD and plasma TVs, it's a fixed-pixel display, so the Gamecube's video signal will have to be upscaled to fit, with varying results depending on the quality of your TV's upscaler.